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Borrowed from [personal profile] deddybear who borrowed from everyone else that did this...

Feel free to say whatever you want/think about me anonymously.

This entry is not F-locked, so it's open to anyone that wishes to participate.

No IP logging. No tracing. No screened comments. No games of any kind here.

Let's give it a go, shall we? :D

Date: 2008-04-23 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickeldeuce.livejournal.com
I'm going to preface this with the fact that I'm not going to leave an anonymous comment. Also, I actually didn't just sniff this out myself; I was pointed here by people who, I assume, thought I would remain anonymous and flame you. I'm not like that, however.

First of all, I would like to say that I've never had anything against you personally. I've never said anything negatively about you. I mean, unless you count that dA comment I said about that one drawing seeming a little bit like fishing for compliments, but I honestly never meant anything malicious by it; I was just stating my opinion. I would never judge someone I didn't know on a personal level, because, for all I know, you could be the sweetest person ever. You could also be the worst person ever, but my point is, I don't know you, so I'm not going to say anything either way.

Of course, I'm not really the hugest fan of your art. I'm sure you know that. But I will say that there are a few pictures of the SNB boys that I do have favourited on dA, because I do really like them. I've never said anything about your art that was just mindless flaming. In my opinion, your dicks are pretty out of proportion. And there's something funny about the way you draw hands, also, that I think you might need to work on, and you also do seem to draw every one of your guys pretty much exactly the same. Is any of that flaming? If it is, I guess I just have a different opinion on what constitutes flaming... However, I have never once said that you didn't have a definite style or that you had no talent. Because you definitely do have talent. And I think if you maybe got over trying to please everyone else with your fanart and just thought about what you, personally, would like, you could maybe be really fantastic.

There is something I do disagree with, though. I don't know if you're aware of the way your (I'm tempted to say lackeys, but that would constitute you having recruited them, and I don't think you did), I will say, personal army of fans treat people, but if you are... I'm extremely disappointed that you allow them to behave that way in your name. The fact that it seems like you allow them to go around smearing lies and trying to ruin people's friendships in the name of your art is pretty hard for me to accept. However, I'm going to err on your side and assume that you didn't know that they would stoop to such a level. Just saying.

I know I'm probably going to get attacked for this comment, and people are going to say that I'm just trying to cause drama, but I'm not. If I was, I would make this comment anonymous and hide behind the cowardice of anonymity. As it were, I respect you as a fellow human being too much to make petty comments at you in hiding. I take responsibility for my actions, which is a lot more than a lot of people who've made claims against me can say.

Date: 2008-04-23 01:26 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] tod-hollykim.livejournal.com
Well, if you say that the way Hallo draws dicks is out of proportion, then you haven't seen some of the photos I've seen. Yeah, pre-PhotoShop in the bad old days of no internet and PCs.

And you say you aren't going to slander people and yet you do it.

Excuse me, but unless it's been in posts I haven't read, I have seen nowhere that any friend of Hallo has tried to "ruin people's friendships" or "go around smearing lies".

I have defended the general Metalocalypse fandom from people who anonymously smear it on Fandom!Secrets. But seeing as it's nameless on the posters part (I post openly), I have no idea who I'm talking about and I am polite. Trust me, I can be way worse. I have never named names, though there have been times I guess at who was posting and wanted to.

Oh, and just so you know, this is not an attack on you or anyone else.

Date: 2008-04-23 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickeldeuce.livejournal.com
I would just like to know why you feel the need to reply to my post when I'm talking to Hallo, and not you. Honestly, honey, if you feel the need to say something from anything I've said, then it's because you feel guilty. I have nothing to say to you, and I know that sounds rude, but I wasn't talking to you. I was addressing Hallo.

Date: 2008-04-23 02:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] tod-hollykim.livejournal.com
Nope, can't feel guilty for something I didn't do.

And if you post in an open forum, you have to expect replies from all people. Specially when you slander Hallo's friends. They, and that includes me, then have a right to defend themselves.

Date: 2008-04-23 02:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Uh, J-rock? Guilty dog? Barks first?

Maybe the reason Holkie responded to you was the snarky attack on Hallo's friends this time. As far as I know, she didn't sic one damn person on you and she doesn't have lackeys, but from what I've read, you were the one who flamed her and encouraged others to flame her as well. So, I guess I shouldn't call your friends lackeys huh? You don't own this journal, you don't own Hallo, you don't own Holkie and you can't say a damn thing to one person on here about what they can or can't do. What we can plainly and blatantly see is you trying to cover your ass. Why even speak up now? You're just flouncing. You were a mean horrible person to someone who you claim you wouldn't personally attack and people found out about it. I admit my shock when I read the goings on about the flame fest a couple of months ago. Just STFU and let it go.

Date: 2008-04-23 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickeldeuce.livejournal.com
It's really cute of you to reply to this anonymously. If you read what I said, I said I don't believe that she would sic people on others. But I know that people like you tend to only read what you'd like to read in order to interpret what I've said in the way that works best for you. I never named names, so no one needs to get offended if it's not the truth. *shrug*

I wasn't mean to anyone. I said I didn't like someone's art, and people got pissed off about it. Quite frankly, I don't have the time to argue with an anonymous poster, so after this comment, say what you will, but I'm not going to reply.

I should've known when I clicked this link that was posted anonymously on my "comment to be added" post on my journal that it would be a trap for me to try to be civil with Hallo (who, let's see if you read this THIS time, I have absolutely nothing against) and then get pounced on by everyone. Nice.

Date: 2008-04-23 02:54 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] tod-hollykim.livejournal.com
Excuse me? You were not mean to anyone? You are the one who posted, and I quote here:


"There is something I do disagree with, though. I don't know if you're aware of the way your (I'm tempted to say lackeys, but that would constitute you having recruited them, and I don't think you did), I will say, personal army of fans treat people, but if you are... I'm extremely disappointed that you allow them to behave that way in your name. The fact that it seems like you allow them to go around smearing lies and trying to ruin people's friendships in the name of your art is pretty hard for me to accept. However, I'm going to err on your side and assume that you didn't know that they would stoop to such a level. Just saying."

YOU slandered people in this. Saying that they lied and "trying to ruin people's friendships".

I have never tried to ruin anyone's friendship. Ever. Matter of fact, I rather like that you have your own little group to gossip about others with. Keeps you out of the grownups' hair.

But try as you might, the more you try to defend yourself and your little group, the more you look guilty. And show your true side.

I just wonder if the others will see it coming when the group turns on each other. And, with all my time in Trek fandom, I have seen it happen time and time again with behavior like this. By then, you all will have burned any bridges behind you.

Date: 2008-04-23 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickeldeuce.livejournal.com
Someone did try to ruin my friendship with someone, and they know who they are. So please know the facts before you jump to conclusions. I never said it was you. I refuse to get into a flame war on Hallo's journal. It's unfair to her, and I respect her enough to stop this. You may message me if you feel the need to continue this, but I will not continue here.

Date: 2008-04-23 03:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Really? That's good to hear. It is. Because you deserved some sort of justice out of the whole mess you made.

Break it down!

Date: 2008-04-23 02:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"It's really cute of you to reply to this anonymously."

Thank you. :)

"If you read what I said, I said I don't believe that she would sic people on others."

No, you insinuated it. Hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge, all that happy crap.

"But I know that people like you tend to only read what you'd like to read in order to interpret what I've said in the way that works best for you."

No, I pretty much read what you had to say word for word. Several times in fact, because I do not jump to conclusions.

"I never named names, so no one needs to get offended if it's not the truth. *shrug*"

No, they named themselves pretty much. I have never seen people hi-five each other with such venom in my life.

"I wasn't mean to anyone."

O RLY?

"I said I didn't like someone's art, and people got pissed off about it."

http://deth-socks.livejournal.com/1185.html#cutid1 No one can escape the eyes of ANON.

"Quite frankly, I don't have the time to argue with an anonymous poster, so after this comment, say what you will, but I'm not going to reply."

Actually, I knew that by me posting anonymously, that would be the first thing you'd bring up. Alright buttercup, Well, heh, I may or may not lie to you when I assure you it's not me. ;)

"I should've known when I clicked this link that was posted anonymously on my "comment to be added" post on my journal that it would be a trap for me to try to be civil with Hallo (who, let's see if you read this THIS time, I have absolutely nothing against) and then get pounced on by everyone."

Maybe if you honestly meant to apologize to her, people would have nodded their head and said, "You know, she is a nice person, she fucked up." But no, you had to make excuses and lay blame elsewhere. Tsk tsk. It's getting old. Take responsibility for your actions. A nice, "I don't like your work *Insert constructive critism here* would have worked.

"Nice."

Maybe you will be one day.

Edited because I am an El Jay N00b and my html went screwy, but that is all I will say on what I will say.

Date: 2008-04-23 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hallo-katzchen.livejournal.com
Hey jrock *waves*

Just wanted to let you know that I have no hard feelings against you. There was only a couple of things that bothered me about those comments.

a) they were said behind my back

b) many were said by people who I thought liked what I did (even collabed with a few), but now I know they don’t

c) it seemed like it was alright for anyone to have their own personal take on the characters, except for me

Like I’ve said before. I’m aware that my art doesn’t appeal to everyone, and I respect other people’s opinions whether they are good or bad. I just wish that folks would be a bit more open with how they feel about it, because I can’t learn from my mistakes if people don’t point them out to me publicly.

And yes I know that I draw cocks a bit big for the owners, but a lot of artists do. In fact, I’ve been drawing them that way (and various other sizes, too) for the past 16 years, but the big ones always seemed to be the most fun to sketch ^^

As for hands, feet, noses etc. I tend to exaggerate those features because I work in a cartoonish style rather than a realistic one (although I try for realism. emphasis on try *lol*), so things tend to look out of place if realism is what the viewer is after. Plus, as a basketball fan I’ve seen my fair share of tall, skinny guys with big hands and feet over the past decade so it kinda made it’s way into my style.

But yeah, I’m branching out and trying new things. Heck, I’m taking a break from working on a sketch of Knubbler with his eyes blown out of his skull to type this comment :D

As for the “lackeys” I have none. What people say or do in my defense is strictly on their own accord, man. I wouldn’t waste my time rounding people up to say things that I couldn’t say myself . I’m not Snapesnogger.

Date: 2008-04-23 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickeldeuce.livejournal.com
Yeah, I realise now, reading back on what I said, that it was pretty harsh. And, in all honesty, I had no idea so many people I had on my friends list were personal friends of yours. At that point, I was pretty fresh on the scene, and your fanart was pretty much the only art I ever saw (or everyone else was trying to kind of draw in your style, if that makes sense?), and I got a little frustrated with it. And I definitely apologize that you had to see that, especially since it was friends-locked, and I never intended for it to hurt you. The thing that bothered me about it all was the fact that it was friends-locked in the first place, and someone screencapped it. It wasn't f-locked to hide it from the world; all of my entries are f-locked. When I said someone might go crying to you (or whatever I actually said), that was only because I knew someone on my f-list was smearing lies about my friends already, and I wanted to see if I could fish them out. Obviously my plan backfired xD

And like I said in my original comment, I don't think that the people that go around trying to prolong the drama were sic'd on anyone by you or anything like that. You seem like a much more mature and competent person than that.

I do think it's great that you take people's crit in and work on things without compromising your own personal style. That's what a good artist does. And I apologize if you ever felt like your art was the only art I didn't agree with or whatever, because there's lots of art I don't particularly like, it just happened that, in that particular post, it was you. So please don't feel like you're ever personally targeted by me, because that's definitely not the truth. Like I've said, there are some things that you've done that I really do like. Your SnB Pickles is very tasty, for example x3

Date: 2008-04-23 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hallo-katzchen.livejournal.com
I get what you mean, man :3

Like I said, no harm no foul. I admit that I was a bit upset at first, mainly because I was going through a very stressful time in my life (the past 4 months have not been kind to me) but it's water under the bridge now and I've moved on with nothing against no one.

And yes I know all your entries are f-locked. So are mine with the exception of this one and the random announcement posts I make, So I know it wasn't just that one to keep it out of my sight. And yeah that was a wee bit of privacy invasion that someone screencapped it and made it public, and I'm sorry that it happened.

And like I said, I don't go around asking people to stick up for me. I can do that myself if I choose to. But the majority of the time I don't say anything because things tend to go horribly wrong every time I open my mouth. That's not just on the internet, it's been that way my entire life, so I've always kept it shut. So I guess that's why a lot of people were surprised when I drew the "I Ruin Fandoms" pic, because that was the first time I ever made a response to anything ^^

Long story short, I'm cool if everybody else is cool and I didn't mean for things to get like they are. I blame my addictive nature. Whenever I like something I take it and run with it to the point of obsession. Which is why I don't drink, because if I did I'd give Pickles a run for his money *lol*

And speaking of Pickles, I'm glad you dig my SnB art. I need to draw those boys more. Especially Bullets. I've only done one pic of him XD

Date: 2008-04-23 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh please no! Please just let SnB DIE! They suck! I can't believe they got their own fandom! They were only meant to be a parody of lame 80's glam hair metal band and not to be serious!

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